Yeah. Well I mean I think look, we (done all the credit checks) within the last 12 months. So and I’ve been throw all the accreditation process very recently. And I’ve been talking to the Registrar Liaison Team about, you know, the entire experience. I mean the - I’d actually go so far as to say I mean at the moment the way it is, it’s - there are quite a lot of checks. You do have to basically state that, you know, you’re not a criminal. That you haven’t done this, you haven’t done that as Xxxxx rightly points out. If you were to start writing in very specific clauses and it would probably cause more problems then it would actually solve because don’t forget ICANN is in many respects very much an American centered organization in terms of references that are posed in a lot of these documents are very, very much American centered. And while under our European law we as a company are required to comply at a much higher level than what would seem to be the case for some of our American counterparts. The manner in which that is actually checked in an American context versus the way it can be checked with an European context is very, very different. So I’d be against, very much against the idea of prescribing anything far too specific because I can just see it causing more headaches. Xxxxx Xxxxxxxx: Okay, any other comments on this? Let me suggest on this one that there really are two parts here. One is the due diligence part prior to accreditation. And as Xxxxx said, that application appears to be under review. And I assume Xxxx that you or your Compliance Team is involved in that review. Xxxxx Xxxx: We are Xxxxx. Xxxxx Xxxxxxxx: Okay. So that’s - that may not be an RAA issue strictly speaking. As far as the second - after someone has been accredited, I think the question is the specificity with which ICANN’s ability to audit is spelled out and whether for example there ought to be a specific provision on that. That is an RAA issue it seems to me. But I hear Xxxx’s point of view. That’s probably a low priority issue from your perspective, right? ((Crosstalk)) Xxxxx Xxxx: Correct. Because again under Section 3.14 I do believe we have the authority here to initiate any reasonable contractual compliance audit on any of the terms and conditions. Xxxxx Xxxxxxxx: Okay, so if you get a news report that - excuse me, are we done with our musical...? Woman: That was a nice background noise... ((Crosstalk))

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Yeah. But he asked for his interest from his granddaughter. The story of love is the story of my father’s love for his father, for my grandfather. My father just about worshipped the man. He wanted to be like him. He never could manage to be like him, because my grandfather was a big figure. My father tried to join the clubs that he joined, or tried to be that person that all the men came to, and it was never the case. But he hadn’t grown up with his father. His parents weren’t married. He came to live with his father, I think, when he was about seventeen, and he graduated from high school in the community where his father lived. It was finding his father, and showing that kind of love and admiration for him. That was the strongest representation of love that I had ever seen as a child. I’ve had some more experiences since then. But that relationship between my father and his father was so strong. Rabkin: Was it mutually strong?

Yeah. Great story. When I came home from Kenya in October (he’d left maybe in August), he was wearing pimp clothes: the wide hat, the brocade shoes, the fancy clothes. And women were going braless. This was ’72, ’73. He says, “Now you should wear hot pants and go braless.” And I went, whoa. I said, “I don’t think that’s me.” I went back to Kenya. I had a hot-pants suit made out of black cloth, and I got African beaded belts to wear with it. I come back and I’m going to go braless in my little tank-top thing and my little hot pants—and he’s a Muslim. Rabkin: Oh, my goodness. (laughs) Xxxxxx Xxxx: (laughs) “Cover up. Cover your head!” (laughs) Yeah. So much for that. Don’t pay attention to this man anymore. (laughs) I’m pretty sure that some of my language about the devil comes from that experience of trying to figure out a way to be in the world. At that point, I really did set myself in opposition to him. I wore long clothes all the time; I oftentimes covered my hair. I was not going to join the Nation of Islam. I was not going to abide by the kinds of culinary habits. For example, I didn’t feed him pork, and I did eat it. And, of course, when I was pregnant with my daughter, I was going, well, should I eat bacon, because it’s his kid? And he goes, “My mother ate bacon.” (laughs) And he smoked dope, too. So he was not the best Muslim. That was a big piece of it. He was active in a group, the Association of Black Psychologists, and they did a book called Even the Rat Was White. (laughs) Their world was so oriented toward race that I didn’t want it. And they were extremely sexist. I mean, not to mention that they had to be represented by the way these women look, right, and if these women don’t do these things, then they are damned. I realized that I was never going to buy into his kind of theology or his philosophy, but I could try to accommodate him as much as possible. I left him when our daughter was four years old. But we had been together for a number of years by then, because I got married when I was twenty-- and she was born when I was almost twenty-nine— I was thirty-three when I left him. So we’d been together for a long time. And the divorce didn’t happen until another four years after that. So it was a really long time, from the time that I was twenty years old, to be with him. A lot of that was really influencing me. In the short story I gave you, the civil rights movement doesn’t figure in very much, except to the extent that I felt that people wante...

Yeah. Report to where? Where were you supposed to report to? The signs that said, “All aliens must report.” Xxxxxxxxxx: You have to be registered. You have to be known in the police station. You’re an alien. I’m not a citizen.

Yeah. Xxxxxxx: And you have to take so many things into consideration when you hear my perspective on anything. Because I am not speaking for entire peoples. That was just so fucking annoying. And it happened to all of us when we were the only person of color in the class. It would make me angry, resentful, that I was the only person of color in the class. It was scary, to open your mouth because many times I found out later the notion or assumption was I was a spokesperson for an entire people. It was a frustrating experience being a solitary Chicana in some of those classrooms. And in our classroom we wanted students to not be frustrated that way but be able to talk about, not just grammar, but to be able to see the grammar in poetry, or to be able to see the grammar in a historical article, or an op ed piece, or whatever—to be able to see beyond the grammar and getting to the content itself, and putting the two things together and how if you didn’t have this verb tense it would change the whole meaning of what the writer is trying to say, why the preterit is much more important than the imperfect, that kind of stuff. Xxxxxxx Xxxxxx wasn’t too much into that. He was into the self-knowledge, the identity piece, but he didn’t like to integrate it as much into the curriculum as the women that started coming into the program did. I have to say that he made a commitment to the program, to fight for the program and to be the director for the first year. But he did not want to be the only person working in the program. He wanted to get back to other classes. I guess he didn’t want to be pigeonholed just into SPSS. Because it was seen as language teaching. So he pretty much stepped out of the picture once the program got going and once I started teaching. He stayed on as director for a year and then he stepped out. Xxxxxx: And what year was that, sorry. Xxxxxxx: ’83 is when I started teaching. So it probably was around ’85 when he stepped out. And then there was this succession of instructors that were hired and that didn’t work out for various reasons. One reasons is that Spanish for Spanish Speakers pedagogy, curriculum, etc. was new. We really were a pioneering program. There was no other program that existed in the state at the university level trying to do what we were trying to do. There just wasn’t. And I think, unfortunately, that some of the instructors that came into the program had the same backward notions that the students did. When we first started at UC...

Yeah. Yeah, and Xx and Xxxx and I had different ideas from our different experiences at other campuses. I had just come from teaching and working in Israel, and Xx had been in England, and Xxxx had been in France, so we had a lot of different ideas. Right away, we came up with a range of things. Xx said, “Let’s have a graduate student conference as part of this, where the graduate students who worked in the summer with the faculty and the general public get to present their papers, and these will probably be the first papers they present, as scholars.” So that worked. And we talked about making sure that the faculty could lecture but the graduate students would teach the novels to the people who came for the general course. And we wanted to make sure that they did not teach them with their colleague from their campus. So we always got them to meet each other. And years later, we talked about this as making sure that graduate students had an experience which got them out of being prisoners of their department. And that’s been very valuable. I had met and knew several excellent scholars in Jerusalem, and we immediately asked the Hebrew University to join the Xxxxxxx Project because of this very fine work. And mind you, that was when Xxxxxxx was still regarded as the great entertainer, so there was all this question about, “Well, you’re not really working on Xxxxxxx. He’s not serious.” We were changing that. Hebrew University said, “You know, we would be delighted to send a faculty member and two graduate students every summer, but it’s a long way, and it costs a lot more money for us. Could we be forgiven the contribution to supporting the administrative part?” So we said, “Sure, as long as you agree to have a conference on Xxxxxxx in the next five or six years.” And that turned out to be a very good thing for them and for us. So, again, we created this network where people would come and lecture, and talk, and meet each other, and get to see what they were doing. I kept saying, “This has got to be not just a conference but a scientific laboratory. And we need to use that model.” The scientific model means that just as people do all kinds of things in a lab, they also go and visit each other’s labs and learn from each other, so that this couldn’t be just a standard conference. And it’s developed in that way. It’s got major research lectures. It’s got a general course that’s open to the public. And Xx Xxxxxx kept saying, “You know, there are people who have read an...

Yeah. 41 ->> xxxxx xxxx:. long FP (They have been dating) long. 42 -> Xxxx: ma ikkai wakaretari shiteta kedo ne. well once break up doing but FP Well, (they) broke up once, but

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